Croatia Just About Embarasses the Balkans

You know, that war you lost against the Croats. Too bad you ran away…………

Posted from  Australia

I suggest you pickup a history book bre!

Posted from  Australia

You mean the war we lost against Germany and the United States???

Posted from  Australia

oh dear lyle you stirred up the crazy croats

Posted from  United Kingdom

71 posts!! Perrty impressive…even though most of the blogs wre written by us, croatians. Atleast you guys have a good Journalist, maybe the team should look up to him, and then just maybe serbia will have a good enough team for the world cup. lol j/k..i gotta great sens of humor as you can see…

Yea so, we lost against Poland, but half of the team was poisend..darn Germans I knew they want to get back on us croatians for eliminating them in 98 by feeding us kremsnite..

Posted from  United States

yes Denis your a true Croat comedian hehe
keep it up!!!

Posted from  Australia

THIS IS JUST A JOKE, DONT TAKE IT OFFENSIVE!!

THE ANOYING LITTLE CROATIAN FAN

A Croatian Soccer Fan walks into a city bus after beating Brazil 2-1 and sits right behind the serbian bus driver and starts yelling, ”If my dad was a bull and my mom a cow I’d be a little bull.”
The Serbian driver starts getting mad at the noisy Croatian fan, who continues with, ”If my dad was an elephant and my mom a girl elephant I would be a little elephant.”

The Croatian soccer fan goes on with several animals until the serbian bus driver gets angry and yells at the Croatian soccer fan, ”What if your dad was a drunk and your mom was a prostitute?!”

The Croatian soccer fan smiles and says, ”I would be a bus driver!”

FUNNY!! I got this one on an english hooligan web site!! LOL THERE IS WORSE ONCE THEN THIS…

REMEMBER THIS IS JUST A JOKE…

Posted from  United States

Why are you Catholic Serbs, u hmm “CROATIANS” reading our blogs, I don’t know about the other Serbs but I wouldn’t post any jokes on yours.

Posted from  Australia

Ask your mate Crno, he loves the Croatian site, he spends more time there than on this site. Maybe if you guys had some interesting posts he might not have to bother us at all!

Posted from  Australia

Everything that Crno posts on the Croatian site is a joke anyway, so what’s the difference!

Posted from  Australia

B’slav

“No no no, I have to disagree.
The Serbs attacked their neigbours because they were trying to hold Yugoslavia together. BELGRADE was the capital and we had every right to legaly resort to using force even if it meant killing millions of Croats. INSANE and POINTLESS if you ak me, but LEGAL and RIGHT given the situation that foreighn western forces were stirring up the break-up. I’m sorry WE cant ever give in to pressure of other world powers, which call us the bad guys while invading OUR YUGOSLAV territory and trying to rip whats legaly OUR from us, helping the POOR POOR weaker nations that stirred up the crap in the first place. (Croatia and Slovenia, don’t know about Slovenia but Croatia was never even a real nation or a properly formed country before they were united by a powerful Serbia into the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, yeh that’s right Zagreb had never beeen a capital before, it was overhauled buy the Austrians for god knows how long) and guess what we won’t ever extradict Mladic and Karazdic. If Russia and Belarus don’t need to be in the EU then its not our place eather.”

B’slav, you refer to the legal right of Serbia to keep the FYR together by using force?! Where on earth was that contained in the constitution of the FYR?

What WAS in the constitution was Croatia’s right to have its nominee recognised as president of the federation in 1991 under the presidential rotation policy. The SNP refused to accept this. (Although in hindsight, i wouldn’t have wanted Mesic as president of FYR anymore than I want him now as president of Croatia!).

What WAS also in the constitutuon was Slovenia and Croatia’s rights to cede and become independent states.

Serbia’s decison to use force to prevent this was neither LEGAL or RIGHT, but I do agree that it was insane and pointless. The republics that made up the FYR, apart from Serbian territory itself, did not and do not belong to Serbia.

However, if that is the Serb mentality, then I am sure there are Serbian tanks rolling into Podgorica as we speak.

I wish Serbia well in the World Cup. The WC is a time for the enjoyment of sport, not the perpetuation of national rivalries for political or ethnic reasons. I hope that Serbians get as much enjoyment out of supporting their team this time around, as we Croats did in our first cup in 1998.

However, as we hold our beliefs just as closely as you hold yours, it might be a good idea to keep them to ourselves from now on.

Niko

Posted from  New Zealand

I completely agree nothing in the constitution, but if the countries were persuaided by their own president wanna-bees and supported from the outside (USA, other UN countries) just for the purpose of weakening FRY than I cant agree. For the record I will enjoj cheering Serbia & Montenegro and Croatia at this world cup since I was born in the FRY they are all my homeland and I only wish to keep that feeling alive.

Posted from  Australia

Okay, you may have arguement for not being Balkan, but you can never deny that you were allies with Nazis

Posted from  Canada

Yeah - Croatia. Well the problem with the Croats is they still think it is cool to be Nazi. They wanted to be Nazi’s in World War II, and today, most - and I say most because not all Croats are facists, but most Croats are racist Nazi wannabees who think that if they are Nazi enough, hey - maybe people will think they are Germans, which as a German I can tell you they are NOT. Croats are Serbs who were converted by the Vatican, nothing more. Food is the same, language is the same, women (all hot) are the same, the only difference is at one time their families became Catholic. Basically, it is like an Irish Ulster and an Irish Catholic. This is a big reason most Germans don’t like Croats, they have not learned a thing since WWII. Serb’s have their own problems too don’t get me wrong.

Posted from  United States

@matu
you are living in a box and you are uninformed.
google about croatian history first.
more croatians where victoms of the nazis.
my aunt were kept in a concentration camp, my grandfather had to dig his own grave before the nazis killed him.
it’s the opposite from what you wrote. the nazis were and are in the minority in croatia!
i’m a croatian and i was born and raised in germany.
i never felt any discrimination, but sympathy and understanding especially during the serbian aggression in croatia.
bye the way, more than 50% of the tourists in croatia are germans and austrians! i wouldn’t like to spend my hollyday in a country which i hate so much.
i’m not a nationalist! just sick of frustrated, false serbian posts agains croatia and croatians.
croatia and it’s people are open mindet and ready to meet the eu standarts to join the community.
serbia? just look what happened to “Zoran Đinđić”…

Posted from  Germany

people peacce…this was a long time ago and croatians are cool so are serbs….theres good serbs amd croats amd thers bad…daTS Just hw the wrld goes and for all u outsiders hu want to no stuff bout the slavic countries i suggest that u dnt jump into conclusions 1st u gta visit us.

Posted from  New Zealand

croatia is not part of the balkans smart ass americans

Posted from  United States

Okay okay croats hate serbs and serbs hate croats! The wars are OVER..so like move on. It’s so easy to blame but harder to forgive. (And by the way, if it wasn’t for SFR Jugoslavija, Hrvatska wouldn’t have been recognized as a country. Austro-hungary empire anyone? Croatia wanted to seperate, fine, but don;t act like you’ve got something up your ass and deny ur involvement in the *cough balkans cough*

Posted from  Australia

lets all be friends! yay!

Posted from  Australia

I have read numerous blogs and cannot recall all of them now, but I’d like to say this to the Americans: please do not embarrass your country more than you already have by being hubristic and proud of not knowing very simple geography. I understand that many do not have a higher education, but that is no excuse for such a myopic attitude: Croatia is not part of Yugoslavia because of this little thing called the Balkan War. And the only reason it was ever part of Yugo is because unification behooved certain EU and US V.I.P.’s. And, yes, Croatia and Slovenia wish to be considered Southeastern European countries because the word Balkan connotes great shame.
And whoever said that Croatia would not exist if it weren’t for Serbia: are you for real? Croatians settled in what is known as Croatia today as early at the 7th c., and had descended from central Europe (Austria, Poland, et cetera). During the relatively recent history, Croatia was under the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and not the Ottoman Empire like the Serbs. And yes, there are so many differences between these two nations: religious, historical, cultural, economic, and psychological. Granted, these nations have become intertwined and amalgamated throughout the years (contiguity is a stink), but the Slovenians and the Croatians are trying to focus on a more prosperous future by enhancing their ties with the EU. I know it’s hard to move on sometimes, but the Croats must do so in order to accomplish great things as a people and as a nation. Cheers!

Posted from  United States

I’m sorry to tell you but Croatia is in the Balkans. And if not geographically, Romania is also in the Balkans with our traditions and way of life.

And I’m proud to be from the Balkans

Posted from  Romania

Good for you Alex. You should be proud of your country and your heritage. Nevertheless, geographically, Croatia is only marginally (a small part of Dalmatia)in the Balkans. Furthermore, Croatians do not feel they share the same culture and/or aspirations with the Balkan nations, and wish to have their own disparate identities.

Posted from  United States

Even though I live in the US, my lineage is Croatia. What I found quite amusing in reading the above posts is all the Americans that think they know about other countries. Not they you are directly to blame - unfortunately its the attitude of this country itself that the US is king of the world and thinks they can set rules for other countries. So anyone that is in this conversation that actually lives in Croatia (born and raised there) please defend your country.
Couple of other observations:
-Croatia in no way was ever in support of the Nazis. Whoever stated that better retake the history classes they obviously missed in school.
-Even though the war was horrific - based on the number of people that were died, injured, forced from their homes, and all the effort that rebuilding required, it in the end was better for Croatia to have separation from the Serbs. During the war, the Serbians were animals with no respect for humanity in any way. Look at the numbers of innocent Croatian women that were raped, the fact that anyone that lived in Croatia but worked for a Serbia based company (esp. the Serbian government) lost not only their jobs but also their pensions that they were depending on for retirement, etc. Obviously I’m sure some inappropriate actions were committed by the Croatian army too - but no where near the extent that the Serbian army did. I have a good friend that was innocently attending college and because of a missile the serbian army fired at her dormitory, lost both legs.
Kind of ironic about the comment about croatians being nazi’s - more like the serbians were…..
I spent time in croatia right after the war ended to give my support in their rebuilding. It was extremely sad to see all the unneccessary destruction.

Posted from  United States

btw - to all the people that posted that in america we consider Croatia part of the Balkans, remember america tends to refer to other parts of the world without considering what the actual country itself views itself as.
Not exactly related, but somewhat, take the fact that we in American call world cities by the names we do. How egotistical can we be? Why should we call cities what we want instead of what their real names are to respect those countries? Example is it so difficult to just call Rome ‘Roma’ as that is its correct name???

Posted from  United States

Heres fact, and i’m not sure why croatians deny being nazis guys its documented in history read it lol, shit its pretty sad to see you deny that. Atleast the serbs dont deny the payback they inflicted on you guys. Ok heres fact :Croatia in WW2 was a Roman Catholic Nazi state, that killed an estimated 700,000 Serbs and other minorities with the enthusiastic support of Roman Catholic priests, nuns, bishops, the hierarchy and the Vatican, some of whom (notably the Franciscans) even participated in the killing. Cornwell lists some of the major facts of church collaboration with Pavelic’s regime:
While Pavelic’s men were killing thousands of innocent Serb men, women and children, Pope Pius XII greeted Pavelic at the Vatican in 1941. The Vatican was fully informed of the genocide, yet continued to support the Croat regime, and rejoiced in the huge number of conversions to Catholicism. How the church believed these conversions were the result of anything other than terror is not known.
Pius gave a personal audience to Croat police in Rome in 1941.
Pius gave a personal audience to Ustashe youth in Rome in 1942.
Pius received Ustashe Police at the Vatican in 1943.
Clergy participated in the killing, notably Franciscans, who killed in the field and in camps. The Jasenovac concentration camp was run for a time by a Franciscan friar. It was later run by another priest.
The war ended without any explicit Vatican condemnation of the Croat genocide.
The Vatican hid Pavelic in Rome after the war, and helped him escape Europe.
The Croat war criminal Andrija Artukovic was given refuge in a Catholic monastery in Ireland before escaping Europe.
Unbelievably, the Vatican excommunicated all Catholics who were involved in the trial of Archbishop Stepinac. Remember that the Vatican never excommunicated Hitler, Himmler, Pavelic or a single one of the tens of thousands of Catholic genocidal killers of the Holocaust. Yet it excommunicated people involved in the trial of a war criminal. The church’s morality here can only be described as sick.
Stepinac’s Personal Culpability
The trial of Archbishop Stepinac - pamphlet published by the Yugoslav government.
The Ustaše (also known as Ustashas or Ustashi) was a Croatian nationalist far-right movement. It engaged in terrorist activity before World War II and ruled, under Nazi protection, in a part of Yugoslavia after that country was occupied by the Axis powers. After German forces withdrew from Yugoslavia in 1945, the Ustaše was defeated and expelled by the communist Yugoslav partisans.

When it was founded in 1929, the Ustaše was a nationalist organization that sought to create an independent Croatian state. When the Ustaše came to power during World War II, its military became the Ustaše Army (Ustaška Vojnica). They claimed that this army had 76,000 troops at its peak in 1944.[citation needed] In the 1990s, during the Yugoslav wars, there was a resurgence of support for the Ustaše. Croatian law currently forbids Ustaše symbols and associated references. As a rule, the enthusiasts of Neo-Nazism in Croatia refer to the Ustaše as their role models.

Their name derives from the verb ustati which means “to rise”, hence ustaša would mean an insurgent, a rebel. This name did not have fascist connotations during their early years in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia as the term “ustaš” was itself used in Herzegovina to denote the insurgents from the Herzegovinian rebellion of 1875.

The full original name of the organization was Ustaša - Hrvatska revolucionarna organizacija or UHRO (Ustaša - Croatian revolutionary organization) while in 1933 it was renamed to Ustaša - Hrvatski revolucionarni pokret (Ustaša - Croatian revolutionary movement) which it kept until the Second World War.

heres more facts please keep reading.

World War II
The Axis invaded Yugoslavia on 6 April 1941. Vladko Maček, the leader of the Croatian Peasant Party (HSS) which was the most influential party in Croatia at the time, rejected offers by the Nazi Germany to lead the new government. On 10 April the most senior home-based Ustaša, Slavko Kvaternik, took control of the police in Zagreb and in a radio broadcast that day proclaimed the formation of the Independent State of Croatia (Nezavisna Država Hrvatska, NDH). The name of the state was an obvious but unsuccessful attempt at capitalizing on the Croat struggle for independence. Maček issued a statement that day, calling on all Croatians to co-operate with the new authorities.[1]

Meanwhile Pavelić and several hundred fellow-exiles embarked from their camps in Italy for Zagreb, where Pavelić set up his government on 17 April. He accorded himself the title of “Poglavnik,” - a Croatian approximation to “Führer” and translating to something like “Headman” in English. The territory over which he ruled comprised all of Bosnia-Herzegovina; most of Croatia except the Dalmatian coast and the littoral, and parts of Serbia (Syrmia and Sandžak regions). Many Croatians, including Kvaternik and other “home Ustaše” were dismayed to discover that Pavelić had agreed to cede Dalmatia to Italy in exchange for financial and other support provided to the Ustaše by Mussolini. It was the first sign of what was to become a serious rift between Pavelić and Kvaternik later in the war. Because the Ustaše did not have a capable army or administration necessary to control the territory, the Germans and the Italians split the NDH into two zones of influence, one in the southwest controlled by the Italians and the other in the northeast controlled by the Germans.

The atrocities started on 27 April 1941, when a newly formed unit of the Ustaše army killed members of the largely Serbian community of Gudovac (near Bjelovar). Eventually all who opposed and/or threatened the Ustaše were outlawed. The HSS was banned on 11 June 1941, in an attempt by the Ustaše to take their place as the primary representative of the Croatian peasantry. Vladko Maček was sent to Jasenovac concentration camp, but later released to serve a house arrest sentence due to his popularity among the people. Maček was later again called upon by the foreigners to take a stand and counteract the Pavelić government, but refused. As early as 1941, Jews and Serbs were ordered to leave certain areas of Zagreb [2]

Pavelić first met with Adolf Hitler on June 6, 1941. Mile Budak, then a minister in Pavelić’s government, publicly proclaimed the violent racial policy of the state on 22 July 1941. Vjekoslav “Maks” Luburić, one of the chiefs of the secret police organizations, started building concentration camps in the summer of the same year. The Ustaše gangs ravaged villages across the Dinaric Alps to the extent that the Italians and the Germans started expressing their horror [3]. By 1942, General Edmund Glaise-Horstenau had written several reports to his Wehrmacht commanders in which he expressed his dismay at the extent of the Ustaša atrocities,[4] some of which took place before the Nazis had embarked on their Final Solution. His reports were corroborated by those of Field Marshal Wilhelm List.

Italian troops in the field were increasingly disinclined to cooperate with the Ustaše and frequently cooperated with Chetnik units operating in the southern areas that they controlled. Hitler tried to insist that Mussolini should have his forces work with the Ustaše, but senior Italian commanders such as General Mario Roatta ignored such orders.

By the end of 1942, the news about the Ustaša atrocities in Jasenovac and elsewhere had also spread among the Croatian population. Noted writers Vladimir Nazor and Ivan Goran Kovačić escaped from the Ustasha-held territory to join the Partisans, and were followed by others.

The regular army of the NDH, the Home Guard (Domobrani), was composed of enlisted men who were barely combat-ready and did not participate in the atrocities. The members of the Ustaša party were part of the paramilitary units that committed the crimes. Pavelić had claimed that over 30,000 people had joined the party during this time, although the more neutral reports concluded that their number was less than half of that.

In 1943, the Germans suffered major losses on the Eastern Front and the Italians started massively defecting, leaving behind even more armament the rebels used against the Ustaše. The Partisans soon became the main rebel force in all of Yugoslavia, having started accepting both Domobran and Četnik defectors, and getting help from the western Allies in the form of airdrops.

The Ustaše enacted race laws patterned after those of the Third Reich, which were aimed against Jews and Roma, but predominately Serbs, who were collectively declared enemies of the Croatian people. Serbs, Jews, Roma and Croatian anti-fascists, including Communist Croats and dissident Croat Byzantine Catholic priests[citation needed], were interned in concentration camps, the largest of which was the Jasenovac complex, where they were most often brutally murdered by Ustaše militia. The exact number of victims is not known, only estimates exist. The number of murdered Jews is fairly reliable: around 32,000 Jews were killed during WWII on NDH territory. Gypsies (Yugoslav Roma) numbered around 40,000 fewer after the war. The number of murdered Serbs is much larger, and estimates tend to vary between at least 300,000 and 700,000.

The history textbooks in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had cited 700,000 as the total number of victims at Jasenovac. This was promulgated from a 1946 calculation of the demographic loss of population (the difference between the actual number of people after the war and the number that would have been, had the pre-war growth trend continued). After that, it was used by Edvard Kardelj and Moše Pijade in the Yugoslav war reparations claim sent to Germany. According to the Simon Wiesenthal Center (citing the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust), “Ustasa terrorists killed 500,000 Serbs, expelled 250,000 and forced 250,000 to convert to Catholicism. They murdered thousands of Jews and Gypsies.”[9] The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum says:

Due to differing views and lack of documentation, estimates for the number of Serbian victims in Croatia range widely, from 25,000 to more than one million. The estimated number of Serbs killed in Jasenovac ranges from 25,000 to 700,000. The most reliable figures place the number of Serbs killed by the Ustaša between 330,000 and 390,000, with 45,000 to 52,000 Serbs murdered in Jasenovac.[10]

The Jasenovac Memorial Area, currently headed by Slavko Goldstein, keeps a list of 59,188 names of Jasenovac victims that was gathered by government officials in Belgrade in 1964 . Because the gathering process was imperfect, they estimated that the list contains between 60 and 75 percent of the total victims, putting the number of killed in that complex at about 80,000 - 100,000. The previous head of the Memorial Area Simo Brdar estimated at least 365,000 dead at Jasenovac. The analyses of the statisticians Vladimir Žerjavić and Bogoljub Kočović were similar to those of the Memorial Area. In all of Yugoslavia, the estimated number of Serb deaths was 487,000 according to Kočović, and 530,000 according to Žerjavić, out of a total of 1,014,000 or 1,027,000 deaths (resp.). Žerjavić further stated that there were 197,000 Serb civilians killed in NDH (78,000 as prisoners in Jasenovac and elsewhere) as well as 125,000 Serb combatants.

The Belgrade Museum of Holocaust compiled a list of over 77,000 names of Jasenovac victims. It was previously headed by Milan Bulajić, who supported the claim of a total of 700,000 victims. The current administration of the Museum has further expanded the list to include a bit over 80,000 names. During the 1961 trial of Adolf Eichmann, Alexander Arnon (secretary of the Jewish Community in Zagreb) testified about the treatment of Jews in Yugoslavia during the war. Alexander Arnon’s testimony included the following:

“ Q. One more question: I am not sure that I heard correctly when you said that in one camp hundreds of thousands of Serbs were exterminated?
A. Hundreds of thousands.

Q. In what year was that?

A. Beginning in 1941, and until the end.

Q. And who killed them?

A. The Ustashi.
”
— Alexander Arnon testifying at the Trial of Adolf Eichmann [11]

During WWII, various German military commanders gave different figures for the number of Serbs, Jews and others killed on the territory of the Independent State of Croatia. They circulated figures of 400,000 Serbs (Alexander Lehr); 350,000 Serbs (Lothar Rendulic); between 300,000 (Edmund Glaise von Horstenau); more than “3/4 of million of Serbs” (Hermann Neubacher) in 1943; 600-700,000 until March 1944 (Ernst Fick); 700,000 (Massenbach). Out of around 39,000 Jews that lived on the territory that became the Independent State of Croatia, only around 20% survived the war.

Concentration camps
The first group of camps was formed in the spring of 1941. These included:

Danica near Koprivnica
Pag
Jadovno near Gospić
Kruščica near Vitez and Travnik in Bosnia
Đakovo
Loborgrad in Zagorje
Tenja near Osijek
These six camps were closed by October 1942. The Jasenovac complex was built between August 1941 and February 1942. The first two camps, Krapje and Bročica, were closed in November 1941. The three newer camps continued to function until the end of the war:

Ciglana (Jasenovac III)
Kozara (Jasenovac IV)
Stara Gradiška (Jasenovac V)
There were also other camps in:

Gospić
Jastrebarsko between Zagreb and Karlovac - Jastrebarsko Children’s Concentration Camp [2]
Kerestinec near Zagreb
Lepoglava near Varaždin
Numbers of prisoners:

from 80,000-100,000 across 300,000-350,000 up to 700,000 in Jasenovac
around 35,000 in Gospić
around 8,500 in Pag
around 3,000 in Đakovo
1,018 in Jastrebarsko
around 1,000 in Lepoglava.

so for my serbian and croatian friends read this, BECAUSE YOUR BOTH FUCKING TOOLS. Real enemy is the muslims and you christians are siding against one another when fanatics are breeding like rabbits taking your land.

Also spread the peace you fucking douchebags! Look how hot your women are?! are you fucking kidding me i was in Beograd and Zagrab and the pussy was insane. I mean Canada and the USA has pigs for women. You idiots should be thankful you have such nice countries. Also breaking up yugoslavia was the worst move imaginable, you all went from a power to …. nothing.

Thats my two cents. Oh P.S. no serbs try and use this to say “i told you so” to the croats. You did some seriously ill shit as well. so why not call it even already?

Posted from  Canada